no mom I don’t want a boyfriend I want a kingdom
With the evil queen in it
Anonymous said: So I have been thinking and I'm not sure which option is better. Is it better for the show to have 10 mil after adjusted ratings for the première or is it better for it to go down some 0.25. Would a bigger drop be more beneficial or a low selling point? I'm not sure I want the première to go down too low mainly because I love the fact that in 3 episodes they fell from 10.2 to 7.92. Its quite telling and if they continue to have this drop I'll be a happy person.
And by ‘happy’ you mean gleeful, in hope that they’ll finally see that the paths they’ve chosen are not the good ones, and that they’ll go back to quality storytelling? *nod nod*. I think that by being super clear about the particulars of their current dumbifying/slash/toxic (take your pick) formula, we might see the feedback from audience in an even more interesting light. So, a mild but significantly alarming drop would be good? And then, fingers crossed that they’ll get over themselves (their egos, and hubris—which Mr.Horowitz at times shows on Twitter, by not really being able to take even the most constructive of criticisms?) and take a good hard look back, and realise that what the formula they had in S1 (character-driven plot, three-dimensional depth of each character as well as great inter-dynamics) could’ve given them steady, stable loyal viewership.
And that that it is infinitesimally better than quick chase of frivolous superficial target-audience-of-a-semiseason (only briefly entertained with shallow fake dramarama of their ‘love stories’ they seem to be placing all their bets on) that simply can’t stick. No?
One of our industry insiders (I don’t think it was @every-heart-has-thorns though) said that it is not unusual for showrunners to have a script minder in season 1 of a new show. She also suggested that a significant drop off in quality between season 1 and subsequent seasons can indicate the presence of a minder.
Adam and Eddie are experienced writers. One would think that they wouldn’t need a minder, but based on the difference between the quality of writing in season 1, and the subsequent shite that’s come out of ouat, there seems to have been a minder. Dear Lord, it feels like two completely different shows.
The point of all this was to say, I’m not sure they know how to recapture their season one magic. Someone else would have to write the show.
also acceptable: Jenji, Joss.I think it was?
Hmm, I don’t believe I made that particular comment, but possibly? I’m not sure what’s meant by “script minder” - do you mean script supervisor?
I don’t think they have someone regularly employed to ensure consistency in the show, if that is what you mean, although they should with an undertaking like this. But a script supervisor simply takes notes about consistency as they are filming a single script — they mark down all of the director approved shots that will ultimately be sent to the editors so they can simply piece together the best takes from the day. This is actually where the directors have a lot of power, because they usually will indicate which shots they think are the ones that should make it into the final episode. The script supervisor has no power, honestly - except to make sure the actors hold their props in the same hand from one take to the next, and to point out other places where the crew may need to re-shoot a segment due to a serious problem with a line, etc.
Some directors will welcome a lot of help from their script supervisors, while others will prefer the script supervisors keep their mouths shut and say nothing at all, except when strictly necessary.
I honestly think one of the main problems with Once is that they have too many writers working on it, and Adam & Eddy are not involved in every step of the process. With something like this, they couldn’t be. They’re not on set every day, they’re not in the editing room approving every single shot. A lot of the important work is being delegated and what we’re seeing each week may not even be the shots A&E would have chosen themselves. In their defense, I have to say that the people who are involved with a show like this deserve a vacation. Production days are long as hell, editors work all night prepping footage & cutting episodes. Their lives have to suck. HOWEVER… if they’re putting all of that time in, we should at least be getting a quality outcome.
Sadly, they can’t just go back to season 1, as much as we all wish they could. Because this was a show with a formula, and it was a bad formula, ultimately. It wasn’t sustainable for them. They wanted a new storybook character for every episode, one which tied into the current time line drama of the town and the backstories of their mains. They believed they had woven a complex web of lives and events, but in the end they kept all of those events superficial instead of digging deeper. Now they’re realizing they’ve messed up and they changed the formula for their show. Instead of switching up the fairytale characters episode by episode, or cycling through them to show more aspects of their stories, they’re doing half seasons centered on a particular fairytale, in a painful-to-watch effort to keep their money training from stopping. They are literally desperate for ways to continue the story and they’ve been desperate since the end of season 2. However, they’re really not in danger of cancellation if they maintain their ratings at 7-8 million viewers, although by next season I anticipate the drop off to be as low as 3-5 mil, since they won’t be able to feed off the success of big Disney blockbusters. There’s no way for them to undo the shit storm they’ve created, because they’re just not those types of thinkers. None of their work has actually been original — JJ Abram’s gave them everything they needed for Lost, TRON was a reboot. The other work they did was for established shows, and not of their own invention. Once was their first attempt to develop on their own, and while it was a great concept, they didn’t work it quite the way they could have. They should have foreseen the problems with their formula and found a way to build a meaningful story for each character they introduced. I don’t know, maybe return to Cinderella instead of just giving her a one-off. But now how are they going to do that without looking very, very sloppy? And furthermore, do they even have the ideas? It’s clear they don’t, because what we’ve gotten for the last few seasons is a) constant recycling of themes / stories, b) sudden character personality changes when they realize they’ve run out of themes / stories for recycling.
It’s… just a fucking mess.
Rebloging because of relevance, on how the industry actually works. A very insightful opinion we wholeheartedly agree with.